Gebanibespik:ILVI
Hi, please feel free to post any questions to me regarding the construction of the Wikipedia for Volapük. I'll try to do my best to get to answer as quickly as I can and as best I can. Cheers, Jay B.
QUESTIONS TO JAY B. ABOUT THE VOLAPUK WIKIPEDIA
Glidis!
I'm afraid that I don't know enough Volapük to understand the naming question. What do "Vokiped" and "Vükiped" actually mean? You say that "vü-" is "inter-", and "kiped" is "maintenance", or "preservation". So, "inter-maintenance", or "inter-preservation"...? I don't get what either of them is trying to say, I'm afraid! The name "Wikipedia" comes from "wiki" (or "WikiWiki") plus "-pedia" (from "encyclopedia"), showing that it is a wiki encyclopaedia. I don't suppose there is a Volapük word for "wiki", is there? But what about "encyclopaedia" - do you know what that would be? There should probably be something in the name to suggest that it is an encyclopaedia, I think. :)
If there is no word for "wiki" in Volapük, could we just coin one? We could ask Brian Bishop - he's in charge, right? :) We could say that "viki" means "wiki", and then call this the "viki-"... something. Something derived from whatever "encyclopaedia" is, maybe...
Okay, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but those are my ideas...
Good luck and eveything, anyway!
Glidis, o Oliver!
Thanks for your question. Vü is Volapük for "Inter-, Among" which sounds very close to VEE, as the first syllable of Wiki is pronounced in the original Hawaiian (in which it has the meaning of "quick, fast", therefore "Wiki-wiki!". It so happens that Kiped means "the action of maintaining". It seemed logical to me that: 1. Vükiped sounds close to Wikipedia, and 2. It has the bonus of having a an implied meaning that the effort to maintain this Wikipedia is shared among a group of folks.
There is a word for "fast, quick" in Volapük of course, "Vifik" and for Encyclopedia it's a toss either "Sikloped" or "Züklopäod".
No, we couldn't likely just coin a term like "viki" for one thing no Volapük roots end in vowels and the ending -ik is usually reserved for adjectives, the root "Vik" is already tied in with "Vikod" for Victory.
Yes, it would be interesting to get the current Cifal's view on this.
Again, thanks for your ideas on this, they are very welcome and I'm glad you posted the question.
Flenöfiko, Jay B.
Glidis! Danö... er, thanks for the reply! (Sorry, I've run out of Volapük again...) Yes, I see that my proposal of "viki" for "wiki" was not very well-thought-out, since it doesn't fit the rules of Volapük roots and so on, and of course since I just made it up. ;) How about "Vifikloped"? Or is "Vükiped" official now...? Anyway, I see you've made quite a start on adding new pages - assuming that it is all you - so well done on all the hard work! But it seems that this is turning into a Volapük-English dictionary, rather than an encyclopaedia written in Volapük, which is what it should be, by analogy with the other Wikipedias. I also see that there are lots of article titles all in capitals. Is this a Volapük convention? And you can use umlauts in article titles, so you don't need all those "y"s. See Volapük, for example, which I made last week. Hope this helps... -- Oliver Pereira, Sat 15 Feb 2003
Glidis o Oliver!
Thanks again for your input on the Wikipedia. Yup, I've been busy... The idea behind the Vo to En word-cache is that we'll have a way to index the article words to the words on the "dictionary" in other words, if you are reading an article and you don't know what a certain word is you can maybe click the link or use the search to find the word. The "dictionary" has the convention we came up with in the Voydasbuk YahooGroup whereby we can replace the "Y" in a search-and-replace edit really quickly, Esperanto does this with the x for its hatted letters. Also this way we can have an entry for the dictionary called "Cifal" which you wrote, (and thanks BTW ;) and another which I wrote for the "dictionary" CIFAL which gives the meaning of the word. In regards to the umlauts, the actual Wikipedia entry can have the actual umlauted spelling and the lookup entry can be spelled out according to the "Y" re-spelling scheme. I hope to make it into a multilingual look up in one page so that if you don't know what Cifal means you go to CIFAL and it would say in Enlish it's this in Spanish that and so on, other folks can help with their own native languages and add to the descriptions of words. Maybe this is something which could move to Wiktionary.org as it grows and becomes stable.
Your suggestion of something like Vifiklopedia is neat, but the copula in between compound nouns is "a" and "ik" is the adjective ending so it would be more like "Vifakloped" or actually more like "Vifasikloped", according to Volapük word construction rules, and as one would expect, the Volapük word would resemble the original in very very little. On the other hand "Vü" is a prep preffix already, and "Kiped" is an actual term, these two can follow the rules of grammar and be joined to form a compound, so "Vükiped" is short, follows the rules and sounds quite like Wikipedia as filtered through "Volapükik" lips :-)))
w/ regards, Jay B.
Jay,
In response to the request here for a translation of "the free encyclopedia" (subtitle of logo) I somewhat boldly added "sikloped libik" — based on the vocabularies I have, and the use of "laltügs siklopeda obas" on the front page.
(Tu es ILVI, nonne?)
Glidis, o ILVI! It seems only reasonable that the person who started the Volapük Wikipedia should have administrator status. I'll restore it to you shortly after finishing this message.
Following the guidelines at Create a new language in Wikipedia, I've been working on a translation of the Main Page of the English Wikipedia as a first step toward bringing things back to life. Corrections, comments, and suggestions are welcome. Promoting vo: on other Wikipedias (including Meta) won't be difficult. What will really take some time is translating the interface.
Jmb has created a few new brief entries, stubs which could form the basis of true encyclopedic articles. We've also deleted most of the dictionary entries, since they are already represented in Wiktionary; a few remain to be dealt with. I'd like to include on the Cifapad something like the "Super iste pagina" section of the io: Frontispicio, or the "Pri ĉi tiu paĝo" section of the eo: Ĉefpaĝo. The English "About this page" article could include links to the Volapük indexes in Wiktionary, to the Volapük Introduction, to Volapükalised, and to other online sources of information on Volapük for English speakers. By the way, I have found the Volapük Introduction elsewhere on the Web with the notice: "(c) Ed. Robertson, February 1994." Perhaps permission can be obtained to use that; I'd hate to lose the useful information it contains.
Jmb wondered about the copyright status of the Volapük stories, which I noticed also among the files at Volapükalised. If they are in the public domain or if permission has been obtained from the copyright holders, I think that Wikisource would be the proper place for them. As for the images, those would make great additions to Vükiped articles if there are no problems with copyright. Thanks also for making the Sirkülapenäd issues available online.
I'm working with Arie de Jong's 1931 German-Volapük/Volapük-German dictionary, but have made some use of the large dictionary file you uploaded to Volapükalised as well as online sources for grammar (e.g. Volapük Vifik). The dictionary file includes terms for more recent inventions, especially computer-related ones. Some of the entries appear to be duplicates, and some seem to have been corrupted a bit. Where did they come from? For the Cifapad, I have had to construct terms from existing roots to translate some English words. In addition, I have added "-änapük" to the names of languages which correspond to the names of countries, e.g., "Macaränapük" instead of de Jong's "Macar" for the Hungarian language. The shortage of dictionaries seems to be a real problem. Jmb has de Jong's Gramat Volapüka, which he has used to compile lists of prefixes and suffixes; those are not defined in de Jong's dictionary.
Finally, I see that your old user page still exists. How about transferring its contents to your talk page and turning it into a redirect to your current page?
Thanks for rejoining the project! I'll be working on it as time allows.
--Flauto Dolce 03:32, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
wikiquote
[redakön fonäti]Para recordarles que tienen un espacio de citas q:Main Page para que se hagan cargo. es:Usuario:Escalda, q:vo:user:donnio. --69.79.186.251 02:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thanks!
[redakön fonäti]Dear Jay,
Thanks for your support! I'm very happy to hear that you find my work for the Vükiped worthwhile. I do, however, agree with the critics who say that quality is more important than quantity, and I would love to see longer and more interesting Vükiped articles about all kinds of topics (especially also about Volapük topics -- history of the language and its authors, etc.). It is my hope, as you also said, that more people will hear about the language because of the large article count and that some will become collaborators who will help improve overall quality...
Now, precisely because I'm also interested in Volapük history, I'm curious about the history of this Vükiped. I understand you're probably overwhelmed with your work, but would you perhaps have some time to tell a little bit of the story of how and why you decided to start a Volapük wikipedia? When and why you had the idea, which were the problems (Was it easy or difficult to get the project started? Was there opposition from Wikipedians? Who else participated in the process? Are the discussions archived somewhere where I can read them?), etc.? Also, when, why and how did you become interested in the language? (You were also (one of) the founder(s) of the Volapük yahoo group, weren't you? And you also have an interesting page on artificial languages?) I'd use the information to write an article on the history of the Vükiped, and perhaps also another one about you (if you give me enough biographic details...). Thanks in advance! --Smeira 00:21, 18 setul 2007 (UTC)
The Volapuk Wikisource
[redakön fonäti]Hi! Honorable administrators of the Volapuk Wikipedia! Sorry for writing in English, I don't know the Volapuk language. The Volapuk test-Wikisource is pretty big, so, it needs to be a normal Wikisource, not a part of the Old Wikisource. Please, help in creation of the independent Volapuk Wikisource! The Request for opening the Volapuk Wikisource is here, also it needs to translate these messages. Thank you very much for your attention to this problem and, please, ask wikipedians of the Volapuk Wikipedia, who can help you in the creation! --Andrijko Z. 14:31, 2011 yanul 9id (UTC)
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